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September
1997
I
first met Maurice Clifford in 1988. He was producing work using
all of the standard artists materials. His command of those materials,
that was something else. The gripping effect of his visual environments
. . . I had seen articles in magazines dealing with the new computer
related art that was being produced but had not seen it in use.
Maurice has been working with computers in realizing some of his
surreal visions. We have collaborated on many performances in the
last ten years. and heishas pushed me many times, exposing me to
new methods that have ultimately support my own journey in sound.
pj.
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PJ:
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Could
we first get some background on your work and methods? |
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MC:
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For
years I've been trying to use the computer as an integrated tool,
to work with different media -- meaning two-dimensional and three-dimensional
visual media -- and the computer has a nice multimedia platform
that allows for things that you can't do with any other mediums.
I'm still trying to integrate things. |
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PJ::
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Where
do you draw inspiration?
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MC:
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Your
own work perpetuates you, it makes you go onto the next step.
It's kind of an unraveling process that doesn't give you a lot
to understand it . . . just to say that it grows out of a previous
effort is suspect, but it does.
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PJ:
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Did you
at some point in your life experience something that inspired you
to follow this path?
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MC:
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I
have to say that it has it's own life, the kind of things that
I do are based on internal states. I always reference back to
various psychiatric problems that I've had, or benefits, depending
on what way you look at it. That was a kind of formative thing
for me, distilling the content. It's not so much an art thing
but a psychological disturbance that happened in my life and
art was vehicle to come out of that, and to express that, and
to talk about it what that experience was like -- which was
profound.
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PJ:
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Art
was almost a healing.
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MC:
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It
was part of it. I was more tied up in the morass of it all --
it's hard to call it healing. That's just one aspect of it.
Certainly there were people who thought that it was just enhancing
the derangement. Case in point, there was this particular image
that I was working on at the time, I was really obsessing over
it. They, I'm meaning my parents, at the time thought that I
had flipped out . They took it away from me, protecting me.
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CE:
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What
do you feel is the social role of an artist?
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All
that I know is that that I don't know. As an artist all I'm
doing is acting, and I don't really know what the meaning of
it is. I just feel compelled to do it, whatever the action is.
In reality I think that's all that anybody is doing anyway.
I guess the benefit of the artist is that they're honest, they're
clueless. Other people who are scientists, business types, whatever
. . . They have a pragmatic thing. They think that they're employed,
they're making money to get a house . . .
When
you look at the foundation of what life is, what does that mean?
I don't even know what this body is. I think that there's a
certain honesty in artistic expression because it's not rooted
in practical bias, so that it may be a role as a relief. Certainly
people need a relief from the mechanics of existence, that's
what most people are working with. For me it's an exploration,
I do something, create something to see what it is.
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PJ:
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Have
you been successful in supporting yourself through your work?
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There's
always trials and tribulations that you see yourself as an artist.
Certainly I have had varying degrees of success with selling things
and in getting grants. As you do things that are more ethereal
it becomes a lot more difficult . . . You can be very successful
and do wonderful things in certain forms, you'll get much more
financial feedback. Since I've been doing a lot of diverse things,
it's not a good marketing ploy. If you want to be a painter you
should just be a painter, doing anything else just confuses the
people who buy things since they're the most easily confused.
You know it's a belief system. If you can believe in yourself
money will just come to you. Certain things require more belief.
It actually gets harder. As you get older you have more expectations
of things not being so flimsy, especially being around your peers
who are making twenty times the amount of money that you're making
per year. It becomes harder -- Believing that you're wanting to
do it. |
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PJ:
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Do you
feel that it's important to understand what is going on politically
in your country?
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On
one level yes, but in terms of my work it's less important.
There are political artists. I don't really see myself as a
political being. My work, whether it's an illusion or not, it's
a transcendent. I make no conjecture on knowing ultimate reality,
all I know is that the things I do [and that] I believe in.
They have a reality and that reality is parallel to a pragmatic
political world. It's not about that kind of machination. Is
the direct approach the best? Politics, even science, is it
trying to approach something directly. I see my course as being
a meandering one, it may achieve that end, it does not actually
go for it in a Machiavellian sort of way.
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CE:
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What
are your feelings on technology ?
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I
believe that inorganic objects have consciousness, and that,
what it is, I don't know. So that it's part of the life-force.
Technology is growing. I know we build it, but it is growing
in the same way. It's some kind of Yin- Yang relationship. Certain
cultures have that bias more. . . The point being, what we're
doing is an unraveling or perceiving of something. The future
is already there. WeĠre just going down that time line so to
speak.
What
is in front of us? -- which is not to say that there isn't free
will or anything like that. All possibilities are already there.
It's like a solid. The time as a solid. Instead of one rod at
a time, it's all directions. We as individuals are experiencing
one of those tracks, so to speak. That has to do with the role
of technology. That determines the shape that we'll have in
the future. Just as a city is growing in the sense as much as
a plant grows. I feel that the human and technology is of the
one being. I don't pretend to have any idea when that's going
to manifest itself.
One
of the things that I do that is different about my art process
is, I'm actually trying to articulate something that I think
is real, but is not your normal day to day reality. I'm not
trying to make art I'm trying to illustrate something that I
think exists and that is the distinction. People in art history
think that's some kind of symbol, but I think it has a parallel
universe.
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CE:
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Looking
back on the history of art, how do you feel the art world is being
effected right now with the coming of the new millennium?
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MC:
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From
what I can tell it's absolutely clueless. We in this room, in
this house have been aware that this has been going on for years.
It's just now that the art community is acting like something's
going on. Unfortunately I haven't kept up with the art world's
reaction to it. My involvement with this thing has crippled
my financial powers. I'm hoping that they'll catch up with it
so I can make some money with it.
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CE:
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What
are some of your immediate goals?
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MC:
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I'm
building an amateur cave for Nexus, a virtual environment, do-it-
yourself-virtual-environment. Also in keeping with what you guys
are doing with this project, which I really identify with a lot,
is the idea that you could have a cognition of other places on
the planet. My work when I'm in to it is about a simultaneous
time, you have awareness of more than one local, more than one
existence, whether it's somebody in Turkey, or some other way
of existence, it does not have to be your normal day to day. That
interest me a lot, what that will bring as that unfolds. |
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PJ:
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What
are your spiritual beliefs?
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MC:
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(laughter,
lots of it). The adage that I have is all that I know is that
I don't know. When I was younger I thought that I had some sense
of what it
might be. I don't feel some sense of great anxiety if I don't
know what it's all about. A lot of people feel like they have
to have it pinned down, the nature, this whole topic. There's
something honest about being ambiguous because that's the nature
of it.
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